I am also a strong predestinarian, Simply because I do not understand how grace can be grace unless God himself placed all the means to the end in place before ever there was a world. If Not, the biggest worry we should have is this, If God was “Surprised by Lucifer when sin manifested itself in him”, how can we have any comfort in a future resurrected state? Might happen again??
My question is why are Christians still so prone to sin, Predestination cannot be just one way if it is true it must be for both. This does not remove my responsibility for my sin, nor does it give me the right to boast in my “good works”.
It is not my desire nor yours to premeditate sin, we do not have to, we are so prone to it.
It is just hard to understand life on a daily basis, dealing with sin/trouble/etc:, and know that God is Sovereign behind all events.
Though I find this too deep to comprehend, yet I believe it.
Thank you for your email and comments. You mention: “If God was “Surprised by Lucifer when sin manifested itself in him”, how can we have any comfort in a future resurrected state? Might happen again??” I understand what you are saying, but I would take it one step further. If God is surprised by anything, what hope and comfort do we have? If He is surprised by anything, than He is not Sovereign, All Knowing, Omniscient, etc, etc.
I was hoping to comment on your next paragraph. You say: “...Predestination cannot be just one way if it is true it must be for both.” What are you saying here? Are you saying that you believe that even our sin is predestinated by God?
Isaiah 46:10 “Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:”
Philippians 2:13 “For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
Genesis 2:15-17 “And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and so keep it. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Notice especially in this last reference, notice that the Lord tells Adam that “IN” the day that he eats and not “IF” he eats. Was this act a sinful act that Adam did? Was this act predestinated and all according to the Lord’s purpose?
You then say: “It is just hard to understand life on a daily basis, dealing with sin/trouble/etc:, and know that God is Sovereign behind all events.” Part of this is answered above but the first part deals with the old man and the new man. When Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus he says this: “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” (John 3:5-6) It states very clearly and makes a huge distinction between that which is flesh and that which is spirit. This flesh of our can be nothing else than flesh. This flesh will never be spirit just like spirit will never be flesh. Listen to what Paul had to say on this matter in his letter to the Corinthians. “The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.” (1 Cor. 15:47-48)
Here is a link to an excellent article by Elder Beebe on the Old Man and the New Man:
Here is a link to Elder Poole’s main page with a listing of his articles on it. They are very good. He holds no punches with proclaiming the truth! http://www.asweetsavor.info/ejp/index.html
May the Lord be magnified in this is my hope,
Tom Adams 11/2005